When I was very young, my parents voted for Jean Chrétien. They told me that no civil discourse can be held when you belittle your opponent based solely on one physical trait.
Recently, I watched apple-chomping professional mandarin Pierre belittle a reporter, a Canadian citizen, and probably one of his constituents.
I thought ‘My god, here is a man, running to be our Prime Minister, displaying this casual cruelty of fascism’
What exact words is he beginning to say that Canadians want to hear? Because I’m not hearing anything except excerpts from Trump’s playbook.
“Everything is broken“, “I’m going to rebuild Nunavut as a military installation“ (wot?), “I’m going to implement retaliatory tariffs and give all of the proceeds to suffering Canadian businesses“ (how many bloody times do people need explaining that those tariffs would be paid by the US??? Not Canada???).
This guy is a closet fascist, mentored by Harper who is a full-blown fascist. It’s only a matter of time before the proverbial cat is out of the bag for all to see.
He's full of shit and using all the usual buzzwords. "LET'S TRADE MORE SO WE CAN GET OUR NATO SPENDING TO 2%" What the fuck? If it were that easy we would have done it.
And his bullshit on retaliatory tariffs lolol - how is he going to get the money back from a tariff that the importing country pays so he can give it to the "suffering companies" in Canada? That is Trump math and it's not the way tariffs work.
Sure, Canadians want to hear good stuff but it needs to be the TRUTH
- Jenni Bryne was Harper's right hand for several years. She didn't advocate to ruin the country then; she won't this time around. As best I can tell, she has strong conservative leanings and runs one hell of a tight ship. She sounds like the right person to be at the forefront of the CPC.
- Jivani. I think you're overstating his importance and role in the CPC. If you look at Pierre's inner circle, I don't see Jivani there. My sense is Pierre is like Harper in that he likes to control things. This is going to work against him (IMO), but it also means that people like Jivani will have a short leash, and this assumes he gets any kind of portfolio.
- The Danube Institute. Honestly, the fact that Pierre interacted with them once doesn't mean they have their hooks into him. Pierre meets with tons of people. Further, if you look at his policy proposals to date, they're hardly authoritarian in nature. Everything that comes out of his mouth is barely right of center.
Honestly, if, after the past 9 years, you're not willing to give another part a chance to try something different, I'm not sure what to say. It's highly unlikely the CPC can do more to ruin the country than the LPC did in the past decade, so why not give them a chance?
Sorry nice try how Conservatives forget the part about restructuring Canada , have a look down south where your USA extreme Conservatives party are using the EXCUSE about cost cutting measures & gutting government to further right wing agenda
&propaganda ,so yes not giving you your turn WILL in FACT NOT cause more damage & ruin the Country!
Nobody in their right mind would pretend that (2) TWO right wing Conservatives Parties on both sides of the Border is going to benefit average hard working Canadian families in this time in history! Please realize Conservatives you chose a leader that nobody wants to look at for 4 years in this time in History ! Ps Harper coming out of the wood work is great his attack attempt just give Mark Carney Liberal Party his expertise ,experience & counselling Canadian Conservatives & DAM NEAR FINANCE MINISTER Harper did NOT deny IT ‼️Hope my two cents points out my concerns & helps ?
So well articulated. Just wanted to add the concern over Pollievre’s avoidance of interviews with qualified news organizations and his refusal to take questions at recent public events. When he has taken questions by reporters he avoids answering and instead uses mockery and baseless claims to denigrate the journalist. Not ok. Not democratic. Really scary trend developing across the populist faction of the Conservative Party.
I doubt that you would get much of a response. However, I follow the right leaning independent news networks - Rebel, True North, etc. They started as somewhat moderate right-leaning if reactionary networks but it became clear pretty quickly that they were falling into far-right capture and culture wars. When I read one article about declining birthrates and "why doesn't Canada make like Hungary and pay women to have more than 4 babies?", it became pretty clear what was going on. While I don't recommend you disturb your peace, it is worth looking in on them to see the misinformation being shoveled.
Polievre, although mouthing support for Ukraine, has voted against sending aid, and sending troops for training purposes. It makes you wonder if he can be trusted.
Great that you won’t be voting Con, but how could you have ever done that (or have been undecided) for about the past three decades?? I am amazed that people did not see what was coming down the pike.
So much easier to hold the Liberals’ feet to the fire than to oust a fascist government once it’s installed.
Canadians typically don’t action their dissatisfaction with any government. Hopefully things will change on that front now.
I hadn't replied to this because I had to think about it. I'm in my early 40's so my voting history is probably a perfect arc of moving from a disengaged voter who votes with their family to someone who starts to read policy and then engage fully to make an informed decision. (Also, I was like 12 thirty years ago.) Provincially, I grew up in NB and there was no difference between the two main parties. It literally didn't matter who you voted for the Irving Corp. made policy in NB. Federally, the Liberals were in power during my earliest voting days and my local MP was actually a decent guy who worked on behalf of his constituents. Also, we had Elsie Wayne in the next riding over and she was much beloved of Saint John and surrounding areas.
So, I guess my earliest views of the Conservative party were formed by good people who weren't actually in power and who worked for their constituents. But then came George W., Harper, and Trump. And my view of the Conservatives soured. This year, I've spent a less than healthy amount of time attempting to understand what is occurring in the US which led me to understand Citizen's United, Reganomics, and how the right has stacked the US court system. And I've learned a fair bit about MAGA, disinformation campaigns, and how Trump was acting like a dictator in waiting (now ruling). That has led me to understand the echoes of these policies in Canada's right. But not everyone has that amount of time. And while I agree with you about how hard it is to lever out a fascist, not everyone sees and understands the dangers. That's why I'm writing, posting, and talking with my small circle of influence.
I only read every third word, because it’s bullshit. I’m so fucking sick and tired of apologists shoring up conservative actions prior to the liberal government. Nobody put a bigger dent in defence spending then Harper. He said one thing and did another. He closed veterans offices. He cancelled contracts. He kicked the Navy contracts down the road. Please. Fuck off. I don’t have time for this crap. If you’re not on the side of what’s going on right now, you’re a Maple MAGAT, a Nazi sympathizer and a spineless shit weasel. Smith for PM? She just hoard herself down at Mar-a-Lago, kissing the orange turd’s ring with Kevin bloody O’Leary. You’re SICK.
You want fascism in Canada? Vote for Pierre Polyester. And shut up.
CATHOLICS - The POPE provided direction today that Trump’s immigrant deportation plan is wrong and Vance’s rationalization to justify it … is wrong. The POPE said “ it's important for Catholics to disagree with any measure that identifies the illegal status of some migrants with criminality. “ Per the POPE, Catholic’s have a duty to express their disapproval of Trump’s deportation plan to Trump & republican politicians.
Tara...question...do you watch YouTube? On YouTube google Daniela Campone and her interview with Sam Cooper. Perhaps then you will understand why we cannot vote for the Liberals. She has a followup video with Sam and Marc about the same corruption issues with the current government.Also Jasmine Laine and her eye opener about Singh and Trudeau. Open your eyes Tara.
Janice, while I appreciate your concern for our country, I think there is some context missing in your video suggestions. Sam Cooper has been let go from Global because his work was found to be fraudulent and even, at times, fabricated. In fact, the courts are certifying libel lawsuits against Cooper from various parties that he accused in his articles. Daniela Cambone appears to be a PR person, possibly a trader, for ITM Trading an Arizona precious metals investment company. But she also appears to be an anchor and editor at large for Stansberry Research - a crypto scam. Not exactly a trustworthy news source. Jasmin Laine is a content creator without any journalistic credibility who peddles MAGA-adjacent conspiracy theories. None of these videos are sources worthy of contributing to any decision I make. And respectfully, I would urge you to reconsider how seriously you take them.
As always, your vote is your choice. The only thing I ask is that you take the time to truly consider whether Poilievre’s policies will work for you and yours. If you truly feel Poilievre is the correct choice, then vote with the strength of your convictions.
Just an FYI, if you are getting your “news” and “opinions” from YouTube , you aren’t getting REAL news or opinions. You are getting manufactured populist talking points by the same folks who helped Trump take over the USA, and whose reason for existence is to make EVERY western, functioning democracy into a Fascist dictatorship! This is an ongoing project and the extremist Right have become very good at telling you what they want you to believe and can make anything sound logical and true!
a) NO. I’m not moving to the USA. I will advocate for the best interests of the people of Alberta.
b) Fair-weather friends, Canada, are only now realizing that Alberta’s oil might be a good thing? That’s convenient.
c) You want me to change my mind? Ok. But first:
END EQUALIZATION.
Triple-E Senate.
Energy East Pipeline Approval.
An end to government sponsorship of ALL media. Period.
There will, no doubt, be people who will attempt to bully or shame me into compliance, or call me a traitor. I’ve heard it all before. I view the betrayal as coming from Canada. The English in the 1770s called the followers of George Washington, “traitors”, & for the same reasons.
a) NO. I’m not moving to the USA. I will advocate for the best interests of the people of Alberta.
b) Fair-weather friends, Canada, are only now realizing that Alberta’s oil might be a good thing? That’s convenient.
c) You want me to change my mind? Ok. But first:
END EQUALIZATION.
Triple-E Senate.
Energy East Pipeline Approval.
An end to government sponsorship of ALL media. Period.
There will, no doubt, be people who will attempt to bully or shame me into compliance, or call me a traitor. I’ve heard it all before. I view the betrayal as coming from Canada. The English in the 1770s called the followers of George Washington, “traitors”, & for the same reasons.
Ontario goes to the polls next week. Ford leads in the polls. He is the guy that publicly said he cheered for Trumps win and brokered a $100 million Starlink deal with Musk (despite Canadian tried and tested alternatives such as Xplore being available)... until recently ...when public outrage over Trump caused him to suddenly U-turn and wrap himself in a phony Captain Canada costume. Posing as a defender he keeps scurrying off to Washington to try to convince Americans that they should buy more Canadian stuff. A convenient way to dodge criticism at home for all the messes of mismanagement and corruption he has subjected Ontario taxpayers to.. culminating in blowing $180 million on an unnecessary election called solely to try to extend his grip on power.
It may be that recent events may be shaking Canadians out of their complacency. Most of them are too young to remember WWII and its aftermath: wounded veterans and the deaths of relatives, rationing and shortages and food scarcity. They may be realizing that the past 80 years of stability and security are not guaranteed to continue indefinitely. Wars, dictatorships, famines, epidemics are not inevitably always "somewhere else".
I'm terribly sorry, do you have a point? Is there anything you feel you can contribute to the conversation outside of an assumption about my voting habits? An assumption which is not only incorrect, it is polarizing, says nothing about the political discourse within Canada, and suggests that your world view begins and ends with a binary. Again, I am happy to permit dissenting views that present a logical argument. But do not comment on my article with simplistic divisions that mean and contribute nothing.
Agreed. We are watching the results of 37% of eligible voters in America choosing to sit 2024 out. If even a fraction voted, history would have beem changed.
When I was very young, my parents voted for Jean Chrétien. They told me that no civil discourse can be held when you belittle your opponent based solely on one physical trait.
Recently, I watched apple-chomping professional mandarin Pierre belittle a reporter, a Canadian citizen, and probably one of his constituents.
I thought ‘My god, here is a man, running to be our Prime Minister, displaying this casual cruelty of fascism’
No. He will never be honourable or Honourable.
Poilievre is beginning to say some words that Canadians want to hear. But words are cheap.
I don't trust any of them. I trust ordinary Canadians to keep these politicians on a leash.
What exact words is he beginning to say that Canadians want to hear? Because I’m not hearing anything except excerpts from Trump’s playbook.
“Everything is broken“, “I’m going to rebuild Nunavut as a military installation“ (wot?), “I’m going to implement retaliatory tariffs and give all of the proceeds to suffering Canadian businesses“ (how many bloody times do people need explaining that those tariffs would be paid by the US??? Not Canada???).
This guy is a closet fascist, mentored by Harper who is a full-blown fascist. It’s only a matter of time before the proverbial cat is out of the bag for all to see.
This part of his speech:
https://youtu.be/sOOrSdBQZF8
He's full of shit and using all the usual buzzwords. "LET'S TRADE MORE SO WE CAN GET OUR NATO SPENDING TO 2%" What the fuck? If it were that easy we would have done it.
And his bullshit on retaliatory tariffs lolol - how is he going to get the money back from a tariff that the importing country pays so he can give it to the "suffering companies" in Canada? That is Trump math and it's not the way tariffs work.
Sure, Canadians want to hear good stuff but it needs to be the TRUTH
That was option one. I'm not sold by what any politician says, but PP must say these things if he's to attract nationalist sentiment.
It feels insincere doesn't it?
It does. The delay in him doing it is suspicious.
My two cents.
- Jenni Bryne was Harper's right hand for several years. She didn't advocate to ruin the country then; she won't this time around. As best I can tell, she has strong conservative leanings and runs one hell of a tight ship. She sounds like the right person to be at the forefront of the CPC.
- Jivani. I think you're overstating his importance and role in the CPC. If you look at Pierre's inner circle, I don't see Jivani there. My sense is Pierre is like Harper in that he likes to control things. This is going to work against him (IMO), but it also means that people like Jivani will have a short leash, and this assumes he gets any kind of portfolio.
- The Danube Institute. Honestly, the fact that Pierre interacted with them once doesn't mean they have their hooks into him. Pierre meets with tons of people. Further, if you look at his policy proposals to date, they're hardly authoritarian in nature. Everything that comes out of his mouth is barely right of center.
Honestly, if, after the past 9 years, you're not willing to give another part a chance to try something different, I'm not sure what to say. It's highly unlikely the CPC can do more to ruin the country than the LPC did in the past decade, so why not give them a chance?
Thank you for your honest well thought out opinion. Such discussions are important.
Sorry nice try how Conservatives forget the part about restructuring Canada , have a look down south where your USA extreme Conservatives party are using the EXCUSE about cost cutting measures & gutting government to further right wing agenda
&propaganda ,so yes not giving you your turn WILL in FACT NOT cause more damage & ruin the Country!
Nobody in their right mind would pretend that (2) TWO right wing Conservatives Parties on both sides of the Border is going to benefit average hard working Canadian families in this time in history! Please realize Conservatives you chose a leader that nobody wants to look at for 4 years in this time in History ! Ps Harper coming out of the wood work is great his attack attempt just give Mark Carney Liberal Party his expertise ,experience & counselling Canadian Conservatives & DAM NEAR FINANCE MINISTER Harper did NOT deny IT ‼️Hope my two cents points out my concerns & helps ?
So well articulated. Just wanted to add the concern over Pollievre’s avoidance of interviews with qualified news organizations and his refusal to take questions at recent public events. When he has taken questions by reporters he avoids answering and instead uses mockery and baseless claims to denigrate the journalist. Not ok. Not democratic. Really scary trend developing across the populist faction of the Conservative Party.
Let’s ask poilievre about the Danube institute
I doubt that you would get much of a response. However, I follow the right leaning independent news networks - Rebel, True North, etc. They started as somewhat moderate right-leaning if reactionary networks but it became clear pretty quickly that they were falling into far-right capture and culture wars. When I read one article about declining birthrates and "why doesn't Canada make like Hungary and pay women to have more than 4 babies?", it became pretty clear what was going on. While I don't recommend you disturb your peace, it is worth looking in on them to see the misinformation being shoveled.
That’s sick
I wonder if we need a little more forensic journalism to see who is benefitting from these connections and how deeply engaged they are in these ideas
Polievre, although mouthing support for Ukraine, has voted against sending aid, and sending troops for training purposes. It makes you wonder if he can be trusted.
Thank you for your voice.
Great that you won’t be voting Con, but how could you have ever done that (or have been undecided) for about the past three decades?? I am amazed that people did not see what was coming down the pike.
So much easier to hold the Liberals’ feet to the fire than to oust a fascist government once it’s installed.
Canadians typically don’t action their dissatisfaction with any government. Hopefully things will change on that front now.
I hadn't replied to this because I had to think about it. I'm in my early 40's so my voting history is probably a perfect arc of moving from a disengaged voter who votes with their family to someone who starts to read policy and then engage fully to make an informed decision. (Also, I was like 12 thirty years ago.) Provincially, I grew up in NB and there was no difference between the two main parties. It literally didn't matter who you voted for the Irving Corp. made policy in NB. Federally, the Liberals were in power during my earliest voting days and my local MP was actually a decent guy who worked on behalf of his constituents. Also, we had Elsie Wayne in the next riding over and she was much beloved of Saint John and surrounding areas.
So, I guess my earliest views of the Conservative party were formed by good people who weren't actually in power and who worked for their constituents. But then came George W., Harper, and Trump. And my view of the Conservatives soured. This year, I've spent a less than healthy amount of time attempting to understand what is occurring in the US which led me to understand Citizen's United, Reganomics, and how the right has stacked the US court system. And I've learned a fair bit about MAGA, disinformation campaigns, and how Trump was acting like a dictator in waiting (now ruling). That has led me to understand the echoes of these policies in Canada's right. But not everyone has that amount of time. And while I agree with you about how hard it is to lever out a fascist, not everyone sees and understands the dangers. That's why I'm writing, posting, and talking with my small circle of influence.
Cheers.
I only read every third word, because it’s bullshit. I’m so fucking sick and tired of apologists shoring up conservative actions prior to the liberal government. Nobody put a bigger dent in defence spending then Harper. He said one thing and did another. He closed veterans offices. He cancelled contracts. He kicked the Navy contracts down the road. Please. Fuck off. I don’t have time for this crap. If you’re not on the side of what’s going on right now, you’re a Maple MAGAT, a Nazi sympathizer and a spineless shit weasel. Smith for PM? She just hoard herself down at Mar-a-Lago, kissing the orange turd’s ring with Kevin bloody O’Leary. You’re SICK.
You want fascism in Canada? Vote for Pierre Polyester. And shut up.
It's RIGHT in my profile. NO TIME FOR APOLOGISTS.
And you're a disinformation (or uneducated) MAPLE MAGAT. So sorry, not sorry.
Fuck off.
CATHOLICS - The POPE provided direction today that Trump’s immigrant deportation plan is wrong and Vance’s rationalization to justify it … is wrong. The POPE said “ it's important for Catholics to disagree with any measure that identifies the illegal status of some migrants with criminality. “ Per the POPE, Catholic’s have a duty to express their disapproval of Trump’s deportation plan to Trump & republican politicians.
That is encouraging news. I find JD Vance's "Catholicism" reprehensible and an insult to caring Catholics everywhere.
Tara...question...do you watch YouTube? On YouTube google Daniela Campone and her interview with Sam Cooper. Perhaps then you will understand why we cannot vote for the Liberals. She has a followup video with Sam and Marc about the same corruption issues with the current government.Also Jasmine Laine and her eye opener about Singh and Trudeau. Open your eyes Tara.
Janice, while I appreciate your concern for our country, I think there is some context missing in your video suggestions. Sam Cooper has been let go from Global because his work was found to be fraudulent and even, at times, fabricated. In fact, the courts are certifying libel lawsuits against Cooper from various parties that he accused in his articles. Daniela Cambone appears to be a PR person, possibly a trader, for ITM Trading an Arizona precious metals investment company. But she also appears to be an anchor and editor at large for Stansberry Research - a crypto scam. Not exactly a trustworthy news source. Jasmin Laine is a content creator without any journalistic credibility who peddles MAGA-adjacent conspiracy theories. None of these videos are sources worthy of contributing to any decision I make. And respectfully, I would urge you to reconsider how seriously you take them.
As always, your vote is your choice. The only thing I ask is that you take the time to truly consider whether Poilievre’s policies will work for you and yours. If you truly feel Poilievre is the correct choice, then vote with the strength of your convictions.
Just an FYI, if you are getting your “news” and “opinions” from YouTube , you aren’t getting REAL news or opinions. You are getting manufactured populist talking points by the same folks who helped Trump take over the USA, and whose reason for existence is to make EVERY western, functioning democracy into a Fascist dictatorship! This is an ongoing project and the extremist Right have become very good at telling you what they want you to believe and can make anything sound logical and true!
I don’t support Canada becoming the 51st state.
I DO support Alberta becoming the 51st state.
A few points.
a) NO. I’m not moving to the USA. I will advocate for the best interests of the people of Alberta.
b) Fair-weather friends, Canada, are only now realizing that Alberta’s oil might be a good thing? That’s convenient.
c) You want me to change my mind? Ok. But first:
END EQUALIZATION.
Triple-E Senate.
Energy East Pipeline Approval.
An end to government sponsorship of ALL media. Period.
There will, no doubt, be people who will attempt to bully or shame me into compliance, or call me a traitor. I’ve heard it all before. I view the betrayal as coming from Canada. The English in the 1770s called the followers of George Washington, “traitors”, & for the same reasons.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-canada-must-offer-alberta-more-than-trump-could
I don’t support Canada becoming the 51st state.
I DO support Alberta becoming the 51st state.
A few points.
a) NO. I’m not moving to the USA. I will advocate for the best interests of the people of Alberta.
b) Fair-weather friends, Canada, are only now realizing that Alberta’s oil might be a good thing? That’s convenient.
c) You want me to change my mind? Ok. But first:
END EQUALIZATION.
Triple-E Senate.
Energy East Pipeline Approval.
An end to government sponsorship of ALL media. Period.
There will, no doubt, be people who will attempt to bully or shame me into compliance, or call me a traitor. I’ve heard it all before. I view the betrayal as coming from Canada. The English in the 1770s called the followers of George Washington, “traitors”, & for the same reasons.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-canada-must-offer-alberta-more-than-trump-could
Ontario goes to the polls next week. Ford leads in the polls. He is the guy that publicly said he cheered for Trumps win and brokered a $100 million Starlink deal with Musk (despite Canadian tried and tested alternatives such as Xplore being available)... until recently ...when public outrage over Trump caused him to suddenly U-turn and wrap himself in a phony Captain Canada costume. Posing as a defender he keeps scurrying off to Washington to try to convince Americans that they should buy more Canadian stuff. A convenient way to dodge criticism at home for all the messes of mismanagement and corruption he has subjected Ontario taxpayers to.. culminating in blowing $180 million on an unnecessary election called solely to try to extend his grip on power.
It may be that recent events may be shaking Canadians out of their complacency. Most of them are too young to remember WWII and its aftermath: wounded veterans and the deaths of relatives, rationing and shortages and food scarcity. They may be realizing that the past 80 years of stability and security are not guaranteed to continue indefinitely. Wars, dictatorships, famines, epidemics are not inevitably always "somewhere else".
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance!
💯💯💯
I'm terribly sorry, do you have a point? Is there anything you feel you can contribute to the conversation outside of an assumption about my voting habits? An assumption which is not only incorrect, it is polarizing, says nothing about the political discourse within Canada, and suggests that your world view begins and ends with a binary. Again, I am happy to permit dissenting views that present a logical argument. But do not comment on my article with simplistic divisions that mean and contribute nothing.
Agreed. We are watching the results of 37% of eligible voters in America choosing to sit 2024 out. If even a fraction voted, history would have beem changed.